IIDX tournament

[Andy]

Yes folks, it true Tokyo Game Action is proud to present our first ever:

BEATMANIA IIDX TOURNAMENT

Date Saturday July 24th, 2004

Time Store opens at 11am tournament begins at 4 pm

Machine Beatmania IIDX 7th style.

Entry fees $20 includes entry fee + unlimited games of IIDX (before and after the tournament),
unlimited games of DDR Extreme, Percussion Freaks 9 and Dance Maniax 2nd mix J append
and console games.

Prize The pot will be 50% of the entry fees divided among the top three winners.

Rules:

This tournament will use double elimination standard seed bracket system.

QUALIFYING ROUND

Each contestant will play the same song (by themselves) as a qualifier. The machine will be on event mode, so scoring will be based on "EX Score"

The top 8 qualifiers (or 16 if there are enough entries) will then be seeded.


COMPETITION RULES FOR BRACKET MATCHES

The lower seed will have his choice of side (left vs right)

Highlander rule is in effect.

Auto Scratch will be on.

Standard speed is High Speed 2, unless BOTH players agree otherwise. NO OTHER MODS ALLOWED.

Judge picks the first song.

The person who scored lower on the first song (person B) will pick the second song.

If person B, gets a lower score than person A, then he is eliminated and sent to the losers bracket.

If person B gets a higher score than person A on the second song then person A picks the final song.

In the event of a 3 song match the higher score on the third song advances.

FINAL MATCH

The two final contestants will play a custom expert course. Each contestant will pick 2 songs, the judge will pick the final song. The lower seed has his choice of side. Auto scratch is on, standard speed is HS2 unless both players agree otherwise.

More details will be posted as they become available.

[Juggatard]

assuming I'm home from philly AND I'm not working. I am SO fucking in on this.

[DJ_Midnite]

We talked about this last night andy but I didnt see it in the post, Will there be a light 7 bracket as well? :gator:

[Andy]

We would love to have a light 7 bracket and I think we are still are giong to have one. The details on how to determine if a player is 7 key vs light 7 are still being discussed. Dipstick had a good idea which we will explore. I'll let you know as soon as it is finalized.

Thanks!

Andy

[Craz]

Im SO in, but im going for L7, shit i cant even come close to Dill or Jugg

[Garrett]

I suck but I wanna play more IIDX anyway. I'm definitely in for an L7 division. I suxx0rz...

[Bryan]

L7 division for me as well, there's no way I'll be able to keep up with the 7K people when they start entering the 6, 7, and flashing-7 songs. A little more timing practice and I think I'll do pretty well.

Count me in.

[Craz]

L7 division for me as well, there's no way I'll be able to keep up with the 7K people when they start entering the 6, 7, and flashing-7 songs. A little more timing practice and I think I'll do pretty well.

Count me in.


Count you out 1st round buddy, your going down down tough guy.



It's On!

[DJ_Midnite]

I'll enter light 7 for the hell of it, But I need alot more practice, I should somehow get a hold of home console version

[Juggatard]

Count you out 1st round buddy, your going down down tough guy.



It's On!


k, so with attitudes like this, I dont think I'm gonna want to participate.

You all have such big egos. -_-

[Bryan]

k, so with attitudes like this, I dont think I'm gonna want to participate.

You all have such big egos. -_-
Juggs takes the internet too seriously.
Since when does Craz NOT have a big ego.

[EricS121283]

Sign me up, if there is a Light 7 bracket.

[Ishbo]

I'll sign up for light 7.

[Devil Warrior]

Oooh I'll enter, but I know I'm getting owned.

[Craz]

I was joking >.<; seriously people

[Dipstick]

Juggs is stupid. :D You can not call out people for a first round match in Bemani tournaments; they are all seeded by qualification.

...money matches in IIDX? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

Am I in? Of course I am in! Well, I need to get the day off of work first. :|

Random bits:

Towel mode is allowed, and is settable on a per-player basis. (unless people decided against this?...)

The Highlander Rule (credited to Paps?) states that a person can only choose a song once throughout the tournament.

Just so that people know, the format I had proposed for l7/7key division were as follows: everyone qualifies for 7key. Anyone who does not qualify or gets eliminated in the first two rounds of losers can then enter the light7 portion of the tournament.

-Dippy

[Juggatard]

the tournament is going to be one-sided as is. there really isnt a point in having one. unless people like to pay money to lose to people who've been playing longer than them. Sorry, but, ALL bemani tournaments are like this.

[DJ_Midnite]

Ive been agreeing with juggz alot lately 0_o, But ya, He has a point, Although I think this is a shown way more in the IIDX tournament, But I guess it will be fun to just play, I mean I enter DDR topurnys knowing im ganna lose, But I do it neway for the hell of it

[Dipstick]

the tournament is going to be one-sided as is. there really isnt a point in having one. unless people like to pay money to lose to people who've been playing longer than them. Sorry, but, ALL bemani tournaments are like this.

Every competition is like this. You always have your upper echelon of players, and 98% of the entrans will have no shot at placing in a ranking position. The big problem with Bemani tournaments is that it is much more clear-cut as to who is going to do what, since the games are not directly competetive. Out of the three billion times I have played Rob in DDR tournaments, I have won once. There is near-zero variance in people's games, so when someone is better than you there is almost no shot of winning. On top of that, playing against people in these games is not inherently interesting. I learn a lot by playing SC2 or GGXX or VF4 aganst New England's finest, even when I get my ass beat. What do I learn playing against better players in DDR or IIDX? That they can do song X better than I? There is some value in even that though, when it comes to knowing things like this (http://vjarmy.com/iidx/viewsong.php?songid=9&mode=7&dj1=DIP!&dj2=DEV) and that (http://vjarmy.com/iidx/viewsong.php?songid=258&mode=7&dj1=DIP!&dj2=DEV).

However, this tournament has some merit. Is it really clear cut who is New England's finest? Between Devil Warrior, Dillinger, kamilumin, Revolutionary Boy Mike and myself, who would come out on top? I do not think the answer is clear-cut.

Besides, it will be a good time... honest. :bear:

-Dippy

[LL Cool L]

You're KIDDING about using BOTH sides for each match, right?

There aren't too many IIDX players - the tourney probably wouldn't take very long if we just play one at a time.

[MadCaddie]

hay guyz sup

Fastway: I'm sorta interested in this IIDX tourney, but no one's really gonna stand a chance against Pete if he's in it
Fantastic Plastic Machine: LOL ONESIDED LOL
Fastway: I've noticed I'm better at scoring in songs we can both do, but I have a feeling this won't be a Random tourney
Fantastic Plastic Machine: this will be "Hi! I'm pete! I'm gonna take all your moneys!"
Fastway: heh
Fantastic Plastic Machine: and the rest of us will sit there and take it
Fantastic Plastic Machine: and that'll be fucking shitty
Fastway: nah knowing TGA the prize will be something like a IIDX ASC
Fantastic Plastic Machine: nah, the prize is 50% of the pot
Fastway: and the defense will be "bah who cares who wins WE HAD FUN LOLZZ"
Fastway: I might enter, but only if the songs are chosen at random
Fastway: if you can choose the songs yourself, you know Pete will just reap the benefits of F7[a] songs
Fantastic Plastic Machine: or just F7's for that matter, since he can pass EVERYTHING ON THAT MACHINE
Fastway: The only one of those I can even attempt is G2, and maybe Tomorrow Perfume. Not pass them with an A like he can
Fastway: I'd stand a chance against him with F7s, if he doesn't choose Max300 or A -_-
Fastway: Max300 I simply won't ever be able to do since no high speed is too slow, and HS1 is too fast
Fastway: urgh I'm REALLY getting sick of TGA's tournament fee styles
Fantastic Plastic Machine: the tournament is going to crash and burn, no question about it.
Fastway: I wish he could just have one low price for the tournament and nothing else, no more one huge price for everything crap
Fantastic Plastic Machine: BUT NO
Fantastic Plastic Machine: WE GOTTA SPEND LOTS OF MONEY TO GIVE IT ALL TO PETE
Fantastic Plastic Machine: and LOL CRAZ IS GONNA PWN TEH L7 DIV BCUZ HEZ LEET LIKE THAT
Fastway: omfg there's going to be a L7 division? wow, this tourney is going to crash
Fantastic Plastic Machine: i think that anyone who can pass at least two (which he can) non l7 7stars should be FORCED to play on 7key
Fastway: yes
Fantastic Plastic Machine: because thats fucking UNFAIR
Fastway: how about this, everyone just plays 7keys
Fantastic Plastic Machine: thats like 123 kid competing in a "light" division at a DDR tournament
Fastway: A tourney is to find out who's best. Not who can beat the easy songs
Fantastic Plastic Machine: BUT THEN THERE WILL BE A FUSS
Fantastic Plastic Machine: AND PEOPLE WONT COME
Fantastic Plastic Machine: OH NO >(
Fastway: oh yeah fucking right, I just read something retarded
Fastway: higher seed chooses side
Fastway: "umm lemme see, oh man such a tough choice"
Fastway: OBVIOUSLY the left side is always going to win
Fantastic Plastic Machine: I think one of us should post some of this log
Fastway: gawd this tourney has so many holes it's fucking retarded
Fastway: I would right this second but such a post would take a while to write and I have to leave for work in 5 mins
Fastway: Wait........Auto scratch is on?! wtf?!
Fastway: jesus christ, it gets worse and worse
Fantastic Plastic Machine: I'm gonna do it right this second. Want me to edit your name?
Fastway: what?
Fantastic Plastic Machine: I'm posting peices of this log
Fantastic Plastic Machine: because people need to see the holes
Fantastic Plastic Machine: and not just OMG LOL IIDX TOURNEY

[Dipstick]

You're KIDDING about using BOTH sides for each match, right?

There aren't too many IIDX players - the tourney probably wouldn't take very long if we just play one at a time.
It is ass either way. The average song length in IIDX is 1:55. That is 5:45 in playing time along per player-game. If you have people go seperately, you can now have the games overlap, and it takes 11:30 in playing time alone. Factor in song selection time and other assorted dead time, you are looking at 15 minutes per round if they do not go together, MINIMUM. With an eight person double-elimination bracket, that is 14-15 matches. That is aprox. three and a half hours. Which is doable; but it completely precludes going to a sixteen-person bracket. That would be 29-30 matches, and would end up around seven and a half hours. This does not factor in qualifying either. Also remember that the tournament needs to be run twice if you want a light-7 division.

No one wants autoscratch on. No one wants the tournament to take multiple days, either.

[This tournament blows.]
It is easy to deride something; it is much harder to actually make suggestions that would improve the event... unless your that is not your intention, and you just feel like making a scene here.

If you really think the event is without worth (and that is a viewpoint I can see people logically having, even if I believe that Dillinger is hardly a lock to win the event), then do not show up. Simple as that.

The fact that you chose to post this anonymously does not lead to any credibility either.

-Dippy

[LL Cool L]

It is ass either way. The average song length in IIDX is 1:55. That is 5:45 in playing time along per player-game. If you have people go seperately, you can now have the games overlap, and it takes 11:30 in playing time alone. Factor in song selection time and other assorted dead time, you are looking at 15 minutes per round if they do not go together, MINIMUM. With an eight person double-elimination bracket, that is 14-15 matches. That is aprox. three and a half hours. Which is doable; but it completely precludes going to a sixteen-person bracket. That would be 29-30 matches, and would end up around seven and a half hours. This does not factor in qualifying either. Also remember that the tournament needs to be run twice if you want a light-7 division.

No one wants autoscratch on. No one wants the tournament to take multiple days, either.



So why not just have one-song rounds? It's not that hard to just use one song chosen at random and have everyone do it once. It would accomplish the tourney much quicker, and people could go up one at a time. Shouldn't take any longer than a few hours.

[Juggatard]

ok, so, screw the tournament...

TGA PRESENTS GIVE PETE A DOLLAR DAY!

Go to TGA on July 24th and DO YOUR PART in giving Pete your hard earned dollar bill!

[Bryan]

Everybody stop being so pessimistic and give the damn tournament a chance, if you all are talking like this then you all deserve to lose. For the people who will actually try, more power to you. This is not a place to take a tournament that everybody's been hoping for and totally trash it. I'm getting sick and tired of this, and something will be done about it very soon.

Thank you, and you may now return to your regularly scheduled emo thread. :|

[Devil Warrior]

Well, it seems I'm out, Grandmother's 80th Birthday, gotta go to it.

And all you people complaining, I know a FEW good IIDX players in NE that play right side, so stop saying its the crap. Learn right side, it isn't THAT hard to adjust.

[shinigami_2057]

It won't be a problem for me. RIGHT SIDE PRIDE BABY! =D I'm glad I'm left handed.

I know I don't have much of a shot, but hell, sign me up. 7keys of course. AND THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING TOWEL MODE!! ::bows::

Alrighty. I'm sorta confused... Is autoscratch definitely going to be on, even if both players are playing on their native side? I'd prefer it not to be, but it's not too big of a deal. And about the no mods deal... it's kind of hard to do that, especially depending on the song. For example, if someone picks B4U [7] on me, it's very unlikely that I'll pass it unless I can put it on mirror, due to the ending being so damn close to the scratch. I'm sure this is true for those who play on the left side as well (albeit for different songs).

One last question - does failing factor into winning or is it solely by EX score? I.E., if Jugg were to pick Take it Easy on me, and he passes with a C but I fail with an A (I hate Take it Easy... I hate it so much), would Jugg win?

Thanks for clarifying, and I'll definitely be there. So what if I'm gonna lose =P

[Catastrophe]

It won't be a problem for me. RIGHT SIDE PRIDE BABY! =D I'm glad I'm left handed.

But you could still end up on the left side! What if I play you and I choose right just to mess us both up? (I bet you're also good on the left side.) Imagine two righties playing and fighting over the right side. Heh.

I like Dipstick's description of every Bemani tournament. Because he's right - these games are naturally competitive but they're not directly competitive. For each skilled player you've probably only got 3 or 4 players at most of the same skill level and even then there are only two or three meta-skill levels. Like for DDR you've got the "AAA 9s" group, then the "AAA 7s / SDG Heavy" group, then the "AA everything on heavy" group, and then a sharp dropoff in skill and competitiveness. Its only happened once in a DDR tournament that I've won a game that I thought I couldn't and also only once for the opposite too. And I've played in a lot of DDR tournaments.

If people want to be competitive about IIDX then great! But consider this idea. Run it like the monthly challenge on VJ Army but do it in a week. To me that is the perfect way to make an essentially single player game into a direct competition. For example, the judge of the event might announce the event a week in advance and collect everyone's money before anyone knows what they'll be playing. Then the judge might announce rules like "Play my original course and have your scores witnessed by two people - one of which must be the TGA volunteer on duty." And thats it. You could do multiple events like this running in parallel, maybe also for Light 7, or you could have elimination tournaments where each round takes a week like this one. And everyone can play comfortably whenever they're able to show up.

But on the other hand by doing this you lose the benefit of creating a crowded event day (which are the best!) but as long as people are willing to pay extra for the possibilty of winning a prize Andy will still make money. For example if one week only four people enter then thats not enough people to have a tournament but that is enough to give 1st place half of the pot and give Andy the other half even if 'half' is only $10 or $20. Not that'd you'd be doing these weekly of course; just that they might run for a week. On a good week maybe 10 people will enter. I dunno. What do you guys think?

P.S. A Percussion Freaks tournament seems inevitable too. :D But that game doesn't even have a versus option. Then what? Cut to the top 4 or 8 right away?